Up-To-Date. Unique. In-Depth. Complete.

Est. 1997 and absolutely, positively NEVER under Roger Goodell's control
It is currently Mon May 20, 2013 11:11 pm

Contact Us | All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]



Welcome
Welcome to McMillen and Wife / Steeler Gridiron Message board

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest, which gives you limited access to view most discussions and access our other features. By joining our free community, you will have access to post topics, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload content, and access many other special features. In addition, registered members also see less advertisements. Registration is fast, simple, and absolutely free, so please, join our community today!


Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 
Author Message
 Post subject: how obama and the uaw screwed another union
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 7:10 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:57 am
Posts: 687
I've been gone too long to remember this scenario but it is interesting. obama once again tried to pick a winner, as we all know his track record in doing so is highly suspect at best, and the tax payer is left holding a very smelly bag while the uaw guys keep funding a large portion of his campaign.

It seems, in obama's eyes, some unions are more valuable than others. Those unions, I suggest that means uaw and seiu, get the cake and icing. The others get the shaft. If I were a union backer I would ask the lad if this is his definition of "fair". In this case, as well as in the case of wall street, obama seems to love the 1% ers. Hope all you union workers in Ohio pay close attention to this and vote accordingly. Shame on all of us for electing him.


I don’t think there is a special interest, a lobby or a donor who Obama wouldn’t screw over in order to take care of the 1 percent of workers who represent the UAW:

Despite being one of GM's most productive and cooperative factories, Moraine was closed following the company's 2007 labor pact with the United Auto Workers union. Under a deal struck by the UAW during GM's bankruptcy two years later, Moraine's 2,500 laid-off workers were barred from transferring to other plants, locking them out of the industry's rebound.

Oh, yes. The Moraine plant was a union shop, just not UAW. Instead the folks at the Moraine were represented by the International Union of Electronic, Electrical, Salaried, Machine and Furniture Workers.

Right: Who?

That’s what Obama thought too.

Since 1990, the UAW has given $27,371,075 to Democrat candidates and $184,500 to Republicans according to the database Opensecrets.org.

In other words, while GM and Chrysler shareholders and bondholders got the shaft, the UAW realized a 292,200 percent return on their investment from the money that they have invested in Democrat politicians.

The International Union of Electronic, Electrical, Salaried, Machine and Furniture Workers? They got no return at all. Perhaps because they aren’t listed as a donor for any candidates.

But that’s far better than the negative return that taxpayers are seeing from the bailout;

bailouts that tended to favor Obama’s biggest donors in 2008- financial services and unions.

The latest inspector general report says total bailout losses so far equal about $133 billion, with about 19 percent of that loss coming from the automotive industry.

Over time, some of that money may be recouped, but total losses are expected to be from $50 billion to $75 billion, and they could be higher.

The total bailout cost for automakers to taxpayers is expected to be about $25 billion.

Thanks Obama.

That plan is really working out for some of you.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: how obama and the uaw screwed another union
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 9:36 am 
Offline

Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:14 pm
Posts: 1596
Highscores: 2
Look the unions don't give a damn about the little guy or anyone else. All they care about is power. Period. They will screw a smaller union if they have to. But hey a bad union is better than none. Right? Of course.

_________________
Yes I know Noll and Cowher had bad years <standard disclaimer>


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: how obama and the uaw screwed another union
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 12:24 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:18 pm
Posts: 2163
Different Union, they can't bring in those workers over the UAW, now once the UAW union workers are all back to work THEN they will bring in the people from Morain.That not screwing another union, you think they will bring in those workers over the UAW it dosen't work that way.

It's the same as senority, a guy with 25 years isn't going to be bumped by someone with 5 years.

_________________
Jesus Yes!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: how obama and the uaw screwed another union
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 1:32 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:14 pm
Posts: 1596
Highscores: 2
No matter how good the workers at the other plant were and how bad the UAW workers were. No matter how good the guy that's been there for 10 years the guy with 25 years is the one getting the nod. When we had a union vote in one of our facilities the big question that changed the momentum in the companies favor was this simple question. "Do you want to be judged on seniority or on the quality of the job you do?" Overwhelmingly the workers voted for no union shop. 85% to 10& 5& did't vote. BOOM! We told them EVERYTHING was on the table. Their benefits would be re-negotiated, wages, time off, sick days, everything. Not even close.

_________________
Yes I know Noll and Cowher had bad years <standard disclaimer>


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: how obama and the uaw screwed another union
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 7:53 pm 
Offline

Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:57 am
Posts: 687
Rollers,

It is always gratifying to see workers, at any level, who understand that how well they perform is the measure that counts. Cause that's what is additive to the bottom line and develops job security and a solid compensation package.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: how obama and the uaw screwed another union
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 8:06 pm 
Offline

Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2012 2:14 pm
Posts: 1596
Highscores: 2
We provide a full range of benefits. Almost every single lawn technician who is in first year can earn 40K. All earn 35 or more first year. Company puts in 5% to a 401K from day one. They match up to 8% of whatever the employee puts in. We have human right round tables for input from the guys. Screw the unions. They understand what the unions are all about. The guy that wanted the union STILL works there by the way. He did get 51% of the guys to at least get a vote. But under Obama's world that would have been enough to get the union in. There were questions on at least 5 of those ballots but we decided to go ahead with the vote anyway. It wasn't even close. There have been five of those votes across the country in our company all overwhelmingly defeated. I've never been so proud of a group of guys in my whole life. Every one of them wants to be judged on thier merits not on how long they worked there.

Just look at the union workers smoking dope and drinking after getting all that bail out money. We have a good chance now to make more inroads into that union membership coming up.

We coach our managers on how to defeat union votes. You treat the employees well. You don't take advantage of them. You include them in all phases of the operation of the branches. They have a safety committee. They have access to me and others in corporate.

Screw the unions. We know how to treat people.

_________________
Yes I know Noll and Cowher had bad years <standard disclaimer>


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: how obama and the uaw screwed another union
PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2012 9:13 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:18 pm
Posts: 2163
sandfan wrote:
Rollers,

It is always gratifying to see workers, at any level, who understand that how well they perform is the measure that counts. Cause that's what is additive to the bottom line and develops job security and a solid compensation package.


We agree on the above, however Sandfan I seen where that won't matter. I worked in a non-union facility and outproduced in what I did, my co-workers did as well.
I retired, one of my co-workers left for another position and the last one who had an impecable record in all forms asked for a raise.
They denined him, and told him you'll get your raise according to your years of service. well he left and got a management job with a competitor.
So you see it dosen't always work the same in all situations union or otherwise.
This guy was a very good productive employee but they refused to upgrade him no matter how good he was...result he left and they are still trying to find a replacement for him, my co-worker who took another position and even me.
When you have good people working for your company you should take care of them, as it's not that easy to replace them.
That was my experience and realize that's not how it is with all companies and non-union places, however the same can be true about union workers.
To say ALL union workers are lazy and unproductive is BS, to say all non-union workers are good is also BS, there are good and bad in both and those that don't see that have no common sense.
It appears there is a anti-union sentiment here, that is your opinion and I don't blame you for that but when you put all union workers in one basket then your full of chit, just like if I said non-union work isn't good I would be full of it too, but I'm not saying that.

These attacks on unions and Obama are never ending here but you know what it won't matter one bit come Nov. 6th.

_________________
Jesus Yes!


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: how obama and the uaw screwed another union
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 8:18 am 
Offline

Joined: Fri Mar 16, 2012 6:57 am
Posts: 687
No system is perfect. But capitalism and pay for performance beats socialism or any type of collective system each and every time.

I agree it is not wise or fair to lump all union or non union employees in a basket. Neither is it wise or fair to do that to the rich. I'm not sure who they are but obama sure has them in his crosshairs.

In November we may see class warfare vs the economy played out and the decision will have an enormous impact on the future of this Nation.


Top
 Profile  
 
 Post subject: Re: how obama and the uaw screwed another union
PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2012 1:32 pm 
Offline
User avatar

Joined: Thu Mar 15, 2012 7:18 pm
Posts: 2163
I'm hearing AVERAGE jOE bIDEN might not run with Obama so Obama is reaching out to none other than TRUMPKA :mrgreen:

"And Rollers gonna love it! " :lol:

_________________
Jesus Yes!


Top
 Profile  
 
Display posts from previous:  Sort by  
Post new topic Reply to topic  [ 9 posts ] 

Contact Us | All times are UTC - 5 hours [ DST ]


Who is online

Users browsing this forum: No registered users and 0 guests


You cannot post new topics in this forum
You cannot reply to topics in this forum
You cannot edit your posts in this forum
You cannot delete your posts in this forum
You cannot post attachments in this forum

Search for:
Jump to:  
cron
Donate Now
Donate Now



Hosted by FreeForums.org | Create a free forum | Powered by phpBB
About FreeForums | Legal | Advertise Here | Investors | Contact FreeForums.org
Report Violation

Design By Poker Bandits  

suspicion-preferred